So I'm in the process of getting new irons and I'm curious about the idea of getting them bent a degree or two strong. I had one fitter tell me I could play at 4 deg flat but that seemed a little extreme. You should only really bend your golf clubs yourself if you have the right equipment at home to do the job. GIVEAWAY! I would advise you to not try it yourself unless you have experience in doing so professionally. After all, golf clubs are designed in such a way to ensure that you can pick the precise club out of your bag to hit the ball the required distance. Comparing 7 Iron Lofts - 2018 - Spargo Golf Yes delofting affects bounce. I can do that with my 5 iron.. Oh wait never mine. stay away from attempting this on the course, and stay away from longer irons, until you've put in the time on the practice tee. Wish he could drop the loft down to 7.5* Upright. [/quote]Not gushing about that but I will gush over a 63-62 weekend. Callaway XR Pro 9* Matrix Red Tie 65x. 5 iron 27 195 Or, (tinfoil hat on) TMAG wants him to be the poster boy for how long their new irons are and this way they get to hear McCord gush about how Day hit a 168 yard 9 iron. [quote name='bigo2398' timestamp='1441037749' post='12239474'] You'll shallow out impact (lower AoA) and reduce dynamic loft > combined they will reduce spin loft. You cannot paste images directly. What to consider when bending golf clubs - ExactGolf The loft of an iron should be adjusted according to the golf course you play. While golf club manufacturers certainly try to make a consistent product, there are often inconsistencies in the lofts and lies of the clubs and they may not be progressively consistent from one club to another. This is especially true of clubs made with long hosels. The only way you would see a difference is if you put them side by side with another set of Ap2's that are not bent. Bumping the toe up 2 or 3 degrees, serves to mitigate each of the flaws through impact and helps to reduce the amount of left to right curvature that usually accompanies these moves. None of the top 100 PGA Tour pros uses regular iron shafts. I was wondering if bending my irons 1 to 2 degrees strong at a golf shop will change the playability of the 712 AP2s. ps my irons are bent (or when i got my Pings, ordered) 2 degrees up ;-) ) - this was to get the sole flat at impact honest. [/quote] You need to make sure that bending your clubs is right for your game, as you dont want to jeopardize what you already have. I would tweak loft to adjust my distance gaps. Taylormade Stealth+8* Fujikura Pro Tour Spec 73x. My personal clubs are 2 up because that's what my fitting said I should be when hitting on a lie board. Taylormade Aeroburner TP 15* GD AD-BB 7x Then, if you decide to carry out the work, its best to take the clubs to a fitter to do it on your behalf. Using an example of bending a full club strong, say 4*, what's the difference in hitting a 7 iron at *32 to hitting a 6 iron at *32. 6 iron SS: 95.5 mph Mine are a degree flat guess I'm opposite of the norm. Ping G410 3, 5 and 7 wood, Ping G410 5 hybrid-not much use. R11S 8* square; Stock stiff While the result of bending strong may be that short/mid irons go further, it won't help on the top end of the bag. the dude who's got no shot at doing that always thinks it's the clubs. Bending irons 2 degrees stronger gopher99 May 9, 2021 May 9, 2021 Thread starter #1 G gopher99 Active member Joined Mar 15, 2019 Messages 235 Hi, i need some info from the more knowledgeable people on here than myself, I would like to bend my mizuno 921 forged irons 2 degrees stronger to fit in with the gapping on my wedges. 5 iron 26 198 Pleased in both regard, distance and ball flight is good. Mickesgolf It is true that bounce changes with loft on a 1 to 1 basis, but I think that unless you are bending an iron 2*+ that you will see a significant change in playing characteristics due to the change in bounce. Vokey 54.10, 2009 58.12 M, Testing TM MG2 60* TW grind and MG356* TW grind. You're actual numbers are really not that bad, they a bit over the PGA tour average but I'm not sure it's worth adjusting all your clubs over. I had my Vr pros bent 2* strong and it did both. Then again this is all coming from a low spin player. 2 up is a decent fit for most guys 6'1 to 6'3 with "normal" ape factor. Vice versa if the club is upright. If your intent is to modify them by making them one degree strong, you will be changing the play of the iron, and also the physical appearance possible (could be debatable if the human eye can tell one degree, I'm not sure since I have never had to do this to any of my sets.). We've chosen this model as it is a popular iron that suits a wide range of players from low handicappers to game improvers. GIVEAWAY! I think I know the answer, but would love to hear everyone's reasons. [/quote] ps i see a poster right before mine made comments about " good players " and their abilities to manipulate flight and trajectory of the ball just because a player has strong lofted irons does not give one indication of their ability so jump off your high horse .just because you may have a low handicap does not make you elite enough to judge others .. #3 there are no real cons, bend away and try it. as many have already said, a more upright lie sort of "fixes" the leak to the right. It seems like some of you are talking about loft and some are talking about lie angle. While there is no way to say if any of that would be a problem or a benefit, it certainly will not have the same effect as tweaking the loft. Here are the lofts of the irons in that set. There's a reason good players don't just grab any club off the rack and change their swing to match the clubs. This is the most important tweak you can make to your golf clubs Believe it or not, my spin loft used to be worse, but I'm kind of in a rut right now. Upload or insert images from URL. somewhere between where you currently play it and ludicrous is a new, improved, boring flight. But manufacturers are smart. [/quote] Haven't registered for Team Titleist yet? Thanks, [quote name='clemsondds' post='1859449' date='Aug 2 2009, 02:39 PM']Thanks but I'm more curious about launch angle. Bending Golf Clubs: 5 Facts & Fallacies Terms & Conditions One way to make the necessary adjustments to your golf clubs is to bend them. Will I be digging too much? Even with the knowledge of club bending and its importance on your play, there are a lot of misconceptions about what can and cant be done with a clubs loft and lie. In other words, make your 7 the length and lie of an 8, which should reduce the spin a bit. Forged irons should be checked every year or 2 anyway for loft/lie. [quote name='dlygrisse' post='1857448' date='Aug 1 2009, 11:07 PM']When buying shoes I noticed a lot of the shoes in the stores inventory were size 10.[/quote] After all, manufacturing golf clubs and ensuring the loft and angle on each club is no easy feat, so its not something that you should experiment with. Learn how to hit clubs different ydgsthe pros are very good at doing this Maybe get a cheap 6 or two off eBay and try it? Mizuno JPX 921 Hot Metal. In our forums, our members have been discussing modern irons with stronger lofts and whether they are easier or harder to play than older irons. Non-Tapered Golf Grips: 8 Facts to Know Before You Buy! Using an example of bending a full club strong, say 4*, what's the difference in hitting a 7 iron at *32 to hitting a 6 iron at *32. Bending golf clubs is a relatively inexpensive procedure that you can pay someone else to do on your behalf. There is no standard lie so the actual lie angle could be anything. Even the most skilled repair professionals can occasionally break a club. [quote name='bigo2398' timestamp='1444240339' post='12423306'] Show Your True Colors With Mitchell Golfs Custom Color Program. Personally have occasionally weakened wedges and rarely, irons in order to help dial in or normalize distance gapping, never more than 2 degrees." So stronger lofts = less bounce = more offset. I have a set of S58s where the bounce is already generous, so no issues. [quote name='MountainKing' timestamp='1444316608' post='12427752'] I wish I had 95 mph with anything. Perhaps he likes the look of offset and that's how he chooses to get it done. Its all about ball flight and gaps. You can now expect a bunch of posts citing all of the exceptions to the generalizations set out above. GolfWRX_Spotted posted a topic in Tour and Pre-Release Equipment, April 24, GolfWRX_Spotted posted a topic in Tour and Pre-Release Equipment, April 17, GolfWRX_Spotted posted a topic in Tour and Pre-Release Equipment, April 10, GolfWRX_Spotted posted a topic in Tour and Pre-Release Equipment, March 27, GolfWRX_Spotted posted a topic in Tour and Pre-Release Equipment, March 20, By SeeMore M6 There is a tendency to over analyze things here, and the thought that a degree or two of loft making that big of a difference is often over exaggerated. I read your comments on why some bend lofts on iron sets strong and i try to swing smooth because to me swinging hard offers little to no benefit ,please remember im talking about me and not others in general , i have lost speed on my swing over the last 5 years where it was noticable to me , but i truly started losing speed after my rotator cuff and bicep tendon tear on my right arm , i cant say it was a noticable difference but that is when it started in 2010 is when i started bending all my irons strong because of lost distance because i was hitting irons 1/4 to 1/2 a club different and it progressed over the next few seasons to a full 1/2 a club or about 2 degree's and then came a hip replacement in 2014 and when i got back to playing regularly i was bending a 46 degree wedge to 43 degree / 9 iron 39 degree's and so on and i did that to try to get to the same distance i had in 2010 where i hit GW 110 / PW 120 /9 iron 130 and it progressed from there .. Golf clubs that are 17-4 stainless steel cast irons will be more difficult to bend, as they are made of much harder metal than the likes of carbon steel and graphite. [quote name='HandsomeMatt' timestamp='1441040098' post='12239780'] Sign up to receive product offers and news! To bend a club effectively, you need to use a club bending machine or take your clubs to a professional to do it on your behalf. Honma TW747 15* Vizard FD-8X If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. For example, when the club is flat, the toe of the club makes contact first and gets slowed down a bit so the clubface opens a bit promoting a fade. Anything more than 2 degrees and the effect on offset is noticeable, TM Stealth 15 w/Ventus Red By doing this, you'll ensure that your irons stay in a proper shape. If the hosel design and manufacturing processes allow it, the lie of an iron can be bent 3-4 degrees or more with no compromise to the integrity of the head. 2. no i've struggled with a fade all season. [/quote] You would still have to take the next club down to get to the distance you want. ** Due to coronavirus and the work restrictions in place here in Michigan, for international orders, please email info@mitchellgolf.com for a complete quote. Diamana GT 70 TX TM Tour Tip. Have wondered why he always had a little fade with his Mizuno mp32 and mp67 irons but much less so with Callaway X16 irons. [/quote] They know how much torque to put on the hozzel. '19 Apex Pro 5-A w/PX Anyone know if most pros have this done? [quote name='cxx' timestamp='1441038802' post='12239622'] It is not the old chestnut that more upright causes heel to dig in early and cause a more left (draw/pull shot) but that a more upright causes the face to be facing more leftward at impact (than it would otherwise do) - stick a pencil on to the face of your 7 iron so it faces out at 90 degress to the face and if you then hold it exactly level on the ground it (the pencil - and the face) will point at your target. The most common adjustment is lie angle, not loft. After being bent, high-quality cast clubs dont go back to their original position either, ensuring you achieve the desired results after bending your clubs. Upload or insert images from URL. Paste as plain text instead, Looking For Advice or Feedback, Stealth 3 Wood, Unique Odyssey, RTX Raw, Epic Flash, Ping Eye 2 BeCu 1 iron - $1,000here me out, Your Choice of EvnRoll ER11v Mallets ($210). QEight Advanced Members 3.6k Feedback 0 0 0 Total Rating 0% Posted August 8, 2014 7-iron - 30 degrees. It is just a way to fit the club for your swing, nothing that is going to help your game unless you fall into the same catagory. get to work on improving your spinloft with your irons (I'm assuming this gets really really bad with you shortest clubs). Could be the flatter lie angles. Here are some of the facts, and fallacies, about club adjustment. They are just tweaking the sets to fit their distance needs. A Good Fit for a Clubfitter is the Post Fit. When watching PGA tour on TV, sometimes we are surprised by the distance that the pros hit with their iron. I would be VERY patient during this process of changing your ball position. You can easily bend the lofts and lies to be progressively consistent from one club to the next with zero tolerance. get to work on improving your spinloft with your irons (I'm assuming this gets really really bad with you shortest clubs). Started Yesterday at 10:25 AM, Please put and questions or comments here, Please put any questions or comments here. [quote name='HandsomeMatt' timestamp='1441040098' post='12239780'] Ultimately, your answer is yes, you can do this. How much will bending an iron affect how it plays? So I'm in the process of getting new irons and I'm curious about the idea of getting them bent a degree or two strong. For example, when the club is flat, the toe of the club makes contact first and gets slowed down a bit so the clubface opens a bit promoting a fade. [/quote] A standard golf shop, or fitting center will be able to do this. Of course the 4* bend is just to illustrate the point but it's better than describing everything in fractions of clubs. Setting aside the discussion about why lofts are getting stronger, I was wondering why someone would bend the lofts strong rather than use the next club in the bag and swing smooth. bending Miura cb301 irons - Japanese Equipment - MyGolfSpy Forum more upright = more of a draw, more flat= fade. But my arms are more like someone 6'4" to 6'5". Clear editor. Remember, the set is not necessarily progressively consistent from one club to another, and therefore each club should be checked. The key variable ( among other variables) is the distance from your wrists to the ground at address. To do this I will need to bend the 6 iron - PW 1 degree stronger. Started Yesterday at 10:25 AM. However, before opting to have your golf clubs bent, wed recommend speaking to a custom club fitter. that is why the standard lie angles of GI irons will be more upright thant the standard lie angles of a " players" iron, even among the same manufacturer. But weight is not the only trick at a club designer's disposal. Let me know what you think of the idea and/or if you have other suggestions to control my spin/launch, I'd love to hear them. He wanted to see the club face wide open. I had a lot of success bringing my spin rate and trajectory down to something more playable in the wind by tweaking the lofts a little strong. But back to the original question, to sum up: Weakening lofts or going to weeaker lofts refers to increasing loft angle going from, say, 27 degrees in your 5-iron to 29 degrees in your 5-iron. Anything more than 2 degrees and the effect on offset is noticeable 3W&5W: CallawayEpic Flash Check out our video: how-to bend your clubs on a Mitchell Golf Angle Machine: Get Bending! Ultimately, your answer is yes, you can do this. You might as well get a distance gap before bending. Iwas wondering if I could bend my 712 AP2 irons strong and not see any changes in the irons. The 4 iron will have a negative bounce if you bend them 2 degrees. Perhaps he likes the look of offset and that's how he chooses to get it done. i'm 6'1, that's why i went to this lie. Have you experimented with different shafts? While some golfers can afford such a price tag to improve their clubs, others will balk at it! Just because you have 130 yds to pin doesn't mean it's automatically a PW..depends on alot of factors Equipment counts courtesy of Darrell Survey. Annealing ensures a more consistent grain structure in the metal; heat treatment makes the head hard enough to withstand constant golf ball impacts. Taylormade Aeroburner TP 15* GD AD-BB 7x. AutoFlex Golf Shaft Review: 8 Crucial Facts Before You Buy! You'll shallow out impact (lower AoA) and reduce dynamic loft > combined they will reduce spin loft. Your link has been automatically embedded. You can also bend the angles to a consistent specification precisely fit for any golfer. 2. Taking your irons to a pro and letting them get to work on your behalf is undoubtedly your best option. [/color] [color=#282828]This made me wonder about messing with lofts and bounce (not to mention offset). Your link has been automatically embedded. 2 deg flat seems to work pretty well for me. This applies to both face angle and lie. I'm also a very high spin player and I'm thinking this might help keep my iron distances consistent, especially when playing in the wind which I often do. Most launch monitors are not very friendly to lefties so I don't even bother. Learn how to control your irons from multiple ydgs. [quote name='cxx' timestamp='1444396444' post='12432280'] [quote name='AustinA' timestamp='1444322114' post='12428254'] [/quote] PW-iron - 44.5 degrees. Most guys would love to have a little extra spin on those longer irons to hold greens, personally I would tweak the swing a bit but I wouldn't really change to much else as you have a huge advantage having that little extra spin there with a club like a 6 iron. Vice versa if the club is upright. You cannot paste images directly. By rjklein4470, June 3, 2009 in WRX Club Techs. I agree with what you're saying entirely, I know I have to get my spinloft down. "Just change your swing" isn't always the answer. A lot of higher handicap players have an over the top, steep down swing so 2 deg up helps cut down on slicing, particularly with the longer irons. Move it more downline untill you achieve the desired trajectory. Odyssey Pro #1 black So I was fitted for clubs and the pro said that on my new clubs I didn't need any adjustment. So he decide just to make them all 3 degrees stronger instead of shortening them. Look at a face on vid at impact and notice hand/front wrist position. 4 iron 22 206 The good news is that the vast majority of irons can be bent, even those that are high-quality cast. Maltby KE4 14* 3w , Axe Excaliber R flex tipped 1" He went with his new driver in the adjustable Upright position at 9* and he's loving it. If you take your clubs to a fitter or professional, you can expect to pay somewhere between $5-$20 per club, but a lot will depend on the price of amendments in your local area. TXG Custom Mizuno T20, 50/05, 59/06, Nippon 950H Neo. This is helpful if you want to adjust instead of replacing your irons, particularly if their loft angles arent as they should be. Maybe get a cheap 6 or two off eBay and try it? Looking For Advice or Feedback, Stealth 3 Wood, Unique Odyssey, RTX Raw, Epic Flash, Ping Eye 2 BeCu 1 iron - $1,000here me out, Your Choice of EvnRoll ER11v Mallets ($210). MEMBER REVIEWS: Cleveland Frontline Elite Putters! Both Rory and Day hit big moon balls. When you consider the fact that bending your golf clubs can make them easier to hit, you can see that its a great value for money option to consider, particularly when compared to investing in a new set of game improvement golf clubs. A variety of reasons- less bounce, less spin, a flatter ballflight, matching a previous set they were comfortable with, etc. You can take your clubs to a fitter, and they will be able to check the angles and lofts of each of your irons and make any necessary adjustments based on what they find. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. We also conclusively say whether or not you should bend your clubs yourself or take them to a custom club fitter to take care of the process for you. Pros and cons? I'm curious about this as well. IMO there is no reason to start bending your Titleist strong dude. A wide back milled slot enhances the clubhead's stability on off-center strikes Added perimeter weighting with toe-bias Covered with a pearl brush finish Pros Soft feel at the impact on strikes out of the middle Promotes accelerated ball speed in your 4 to 7 iron shots Reduced offset allows for better shot workability If you strengthen iron lofts, how much does bounce become an issue? In some cases, due to the softness of our forgings, "craftsman's" marks on the hosels may result from bending them to the required loft / lie. It would definitely not work for me but might be ok for you. Once you know what your lie angles are - keep a note if you like, then you can easily know if another brand's irons need adjusting. but, best to check for real by hitting shots with them anyway. These are forgiving clubs so you can work on this new action and learn it in relative safety. 15% of the top 100 PGA Tour pros use stiff shafts in their irons including Hideki Matsuyama, Corey Connors, and Matt Kuchar. . Thanks! get to work on improving your spinloft with your irons (I'm assuming this gets really really bad with you shortest clubs). The credit goes to this website for explaining the entire process. But is bending your golf clubs really a good idea? bigo2398, August 31, 2015 in WRX Club Techs. This also means youre much less likely to screw the process up, and your clubs will be bent to perfection! Believe it or not, my spin loft used to be worse, but I'm kind of in a rut right now. If you wanted to know more about how the process works of bending the loft and lie angle of clubs, watch the video below from Mitchell Golf: Although golfers often buy new golf clubs instead of modifying their current irons, bending clubs is a great way to make changes to the loft of your clubs to help you improve your accuracy and consistency. I've noticed that some of the higher launching/spinning players on tour (Rory, J-Day, etc) have their irons bent strong and I'm looking to hear some pro's and con's of doing this. ProV1x-mostly. Which is more typical to change? I have read that if you bend 1 degree strong you lower the bounce on the iron. Coops, Thanks but I'm more curious about launch angle. [/quote] Best of luck.Chuck. Club bending can go wrong pretty easily, and its a mistake that you dont want to make with your irons! So if you are steep or tend to take a pretty good divot, you may not want to bend them more than a degree. Should Golfers De-Loft Their Irons & Other Clubs - Benefits, Guide #3 there are no real cons, bend away and try it. 9 iron 41 148 Display as a link instead, [/quote] simple, 2 degrees upright is what the clubfitter fitted me at. Now tilt the club grip end down a bit so that the club's toe comes up off the ground a fair bit and you'll see the pencil now points subtantially more leftward than before. (Who Makes Them? I am wanting to bend my 5-PW one degree stronger and my 4 irontwo degrees stronger to fit better with my wedges and hybrid golf club. You could just buy them cut down half an inch and lies bent accordingly, which would maintain the same look. [quote name='Kenny Lee Puckett' timestamp='1441131685' post='12246270'] Sitemap. [/quote] Titleist SM8 50/56 W/ LAgolf, Callaway Jaws Raw 60Z /Kbs 610 Using the straight line marked ball on face, hitting off REAL grass will produce best results for lie angle, https://forums.golfwrx.com/topic/1840618-witb-731-full-bag/. WIth KLP on this one: bending stronger for spin reduction/trajectory is IMHO missing the point, fix impact first. To be bendable the iron has to have the proper heat treatment or annealing that will allow bending - let's make the assumption that quality irons indeed have this treatment. 5-iron - 23.5 degrees. If you don't like bend them back. Or, (tinfoil hat on) TMAG wants him to be the poster boy for how long their new irons are and this way they get to hear McCord gush about how Day hit a 168 yard 9 iron. [quote name='cxx' timestamp='1441038802' post='12239622'] [quote name='bigo2398' timestamp='1441037749' post='12239474'] So I'm in the process of getting new irons and I'm curious about the idea of getting them bent a degree or two strong. The mark on the sole will show if your clubhead is level or toe up or down at impact. GIVEAWAY! . Let's say that lies err on the upright side these days. [quote name='bigo2398' timestamp='1441037749' post='12239474'] Started Yesterday at 10:25 AM, Please put and questions or comments here, Please put any questions or comments here. What no one else has mentioned is that your 6 iron numbers are almost ideal for that club. So I'm in the process of getting new irons and I'm curious about the idea of getting them bent a degree or two strong. How accurate are the loft and lie readings of clubs straight from the manufacturer? MEMBER REVIEWS: Cleveland Frontline Elite Putters! 6-iron spin: 6850 RPM I've always just played with whatever I had, but I'm now trying to work my way up to being able to afford a set that actually fits me. 6 iron SS: 95.5 mph. Upload or insert images from URL. IMO there is no reason to start bending your Titleist strong dude. [quote name='AustinA' timestamp='1444322114' post='12428254']
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